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🤸♀️Podcast marketing: let's have some fun.🌈
Bonjour!
There is no silver bullet in podcast marketing—you have to try everything, experiment! And double down on the things that work. But if there was a silver bullet, it would be getting prominently featured on an app (like Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, or Spotify.) Getting features means that when people open the app, your show will be promoted in “new and noteworthy” or “best food shows,” etc. Let’s talk about how to get your show featured on apps.
Before we get started:
🪄Please enjoy this helpful Twitter thread from Jeremy Enns:
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Get featured.
Before you pitch to the platforms, study the podcasts that are getting featured every day to get a sense of what the platforms like to show off. Maybe there is already a carousel that your show would fit into.
Getting featured won’t change your life. It might cause a spike in your download numbers, but your great content has to keep those people coming back again. So getting featured can be lucky, and is dependent on someone behind the apps wanting to advocate for you. But it’s up to you to keep them listening to episode after episode.
Once you have the attention of listeners, keep them by setting their expectations. To avoid people angry about feeling “tricked” into listening (and leaving a bad review) make sure your artwork and description clearly describe what people should know before listening. I used to work in book publishing, and always did an inventory on our Goodreads reviews. We published The Goldfinch, which was beloved and won the Pulitzer. It had 3.4 stars on Goodreads. We also published a book about dirt, and that Goodreads average review was much higher—3.9. Why? People who read The Goldfinch didn’t like the characters, the ending, there was more to argue about. People who wanted a book about dirt got the book that they wanted. They were happy customers and left happy reviews.
Getting featured can be a blessing and a curse. Arielle Nissenblatt had a funny pandemic podcast called Counter Programing (to counter all the news coming out about covid, each episode featured a deep dive into a word or phrase that contained the word counter—from marble countertops to Count Dracula) with her friend Shira (read about it here.) They saw a huge spike, but many people who listened didn’t like what they heard. It wasn’t what they expected. People who listened and thought “wait…this wasn’t funny” or “this wasn’t what I expected” unsubscribed, left a nasty review, and never listened again. So it was cool but also uncool.
The apps attract different types of people. Think about where your listeners are. If you have a more mainstream show, you might have more listeners on Apple Podcasts. (A lot of these people just use the app that was automatically downloaded on their iPhone.) More curious podcast listeners will explore other apps, like Pocket Casts, Overcast, Castro, or Castbox.
Cover artwork matters. We do judge books by covers when it comes to podcasts. I had one show that had the most success in gaining downloads—City of Ghosts. I truly believe that this is because City of Ghosts has the most beautiful artwork. When it was featured, it stood out and led many people to listen to an episode. Whether they stayed or not was all up to whether or not they enjoyed what they heard. It all comes back to shows quality.
When you are featured on one app, your numbers will rise on all the other apps. Getting featured on Pocket Casts will give you a huge boost, but you’ll see a boost on Apple, etc.
These platforms want to be experienced like news feeds. They want to feature what’s new, what’s hot, what’s relevant, what has a big guest. (Apple Podcasts in particular loves it when there is a big name tied to the episode or show.) When you apply to be featured using the forms (more about that below, you have to convince them that there is a real reason your content is important NOW. If Father’s Day is coming up and you have a podcast about Fatherhood, now’s the to promote that content.
It’s okay to make your content more appealing to platforms. Don’t have a relevant podcast episode coming up? Plan for one around a holiday or big event.
Remember all of the other platforms. It’s not just Apple, Stitcher and Spotify. Pitch yourself to Overcast, Castbox, Amazon Music, etc.
Use Pod.link to be neutral on your social media profiles and website. Using Pod.link will allow people to listen in the way that is best for them. (If they don’t have an iPhone, you don’t want to send them to an Apple Podcasts link. (But if you’re tweeting about being featured, make sure to use the link to that platform. More on that below.)
Nail the forms.
The forms:
Remember: a human being is checking these forms.
These forms often want to know which region you would like to be featured. The US region is extremely congested—there are more US podcasts than there are in other countries. Look at your analytics and identify the other countries that represent your other listeners. Pitch to those regions. You will have a much greater chance of getting featured.
The apps will want to know what you will do for them if they feature you. This is quite possibly the most important section of the form. Mention that you will share that you were mentioned on social media, in your newsletter (if you have one) and on your show.
When you’re tweeting about your show, an attempt to please everyone by saying “listen wherever you find your podcasts” pleases no one. Pick an Apple day, a Spotify day, a Stitcher day, to tweet out content using the links from those platforms. Tag the platform.
Some of the fields in the forms can be the same each time (the link to your show, the trailer drop day, the date of the first episode.) Start a google doc where you can store all this information so you can copy and paste each time. Then you don’t have to reinvent the wheel every time you submit.
But make each pitch different—particularly the subject line. The subject line is your pitch. Accentuate the urgency of featuring the show now, the exciting thing you have going on, the episode that aligns with a holiday. (For example, if you’re pitching for Father’s Day, mention that you have a Father’s Day episode.)
Platforms generally want two week’s notice to feature your show. So plan ahead.
Don’t apply just once. I have a reminder in my calendar for submitting my shows to podcast platforms every two weeks.
Database Success Stories
I’m collecting success stories from people who have been using the Podcast Partnership Database. Send yours to lauren@tinkmedia.co. This one comes from Corey Nathan of Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other. Thanks to Corey for sharing his story, and for putting the database to use!
Can you say “Game Changer”? That’s what the Swap Database has been for us!
We came across Tink Media and this awesome resource after PodMov Evolutions in L.A. Honestly, the way our team has used the database isn’t magic. It’s not some story of super-human efforts. It was just a matter of taking a few seconds to read about each podcast, one at a time, and making the decision to reach out to one other show each day. That’s it. And the Swap Database makes it so easy!
The responses have been encouraging and inspiring from podcasts such as Democracy Works, The Purple Principle, 70 Million and others. This might sound cheesy, but we’ve even made some new friends in the industry. We’ve barely scratched the surface and have already seen the positive results from having our promo on several other shows, opportunities to be a guest, bringing interesting guests on our program and sharing lots of love on social media.
It’s great to see that a small amount of effort applied consistently can have such demonstrable results, specifically in terms of our weekly downloads. And again, Tink has made it SO doable with this immensely useful tool, the Swap Database.
From the Desk of Tink
ICYMI, Tink Media is a podcast growth and ideas company that helps shows with pitching to apps and media, setting up promo and feed swaps, advertising, wild out-of-the-box thinking, and more.
This week I’m highlighting one of our clients, Play On!
Play On Podcasts are epic audio adventures reimagining timeless tales, featuring original music composition and the voices of extraordinarily gifted artists. This is where Theatre meets Podcast, combining the modern-day audio phenomenon with the power of live performance. Starring the voice of Tramell Tillma of Severence.
xoxo lauren
Thanks for the shoutout Lauren!
Fantastic issue as always!
Hi! This is so helpful! I'm not sure if anyone will see this comment, but with Stitcher having shut down last year, their form still seems to be active. Does anyone know if submitting promotional requests on that form still does anything? Does that go to SiriusXM maybe?